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Pathing issues - minions can't find locations or just stay standing

rlund 2 years ago • updated by Lee "Noontide" Moon (Community Manager) 2 years ago 21

I see this was marked as fixed for 1.4, but I am getting major pathing issues on 1.4.2f8.


On large or complicated maps (e.g. Arcane Prison from the Workshop maps), if you dismiss a rally flag, the minions will remains standing where they are and complain about not being able to reach food/lair. I often have to put a rally flag back down the path and then release it.

Game Version:
Steam Public Beta
Platform:
Windows
GOOD, I'M SATISFIED
Satisfaction mark by rlund 2 years ago

Save Games


I added some save games. Check some of the minions in the Northwestern area of the map.


If you place a rally point there and then dismiss it, the minions will just stay in place and ignore the facilities that are not too far away. I even opened the shortcuts from the dungeon core to these locations to maybe allow them to use those paths.


Also, somewhere between save games, I encountered one minion who was getting angry because he couldn't sleep. I placed him in two lairs with open spaces - he just stood there and kept being angry, but refused to lay down and sleep. He was a converted unit from the enemy, so he was not a beast.


I'm not sure if this second issue is related, but given that he stopped moving, chances are good that it is related.


Please let me know if I can provide more information or if you'd like me to run tests - I'll keep the save games.

Under Review

Tagging this for review when we're back at work next week.

I have same error... Not on same map but during campaign. I find I have to either pick up creatures and then Instantly drop. Sometimes slapping or using recall works.

Oh, right, that reminded me:


On the same note, I can drop off one of my workers in a tile belonging to me and neighboring a tile I want it to convert - and then it does nothing. If I turn my screen and slap the critter into the space, then it will start working. All part of the same thing, I guess.


Again, I'm more than willing to help with this if I can.


Thanks!

Pending Customer

While I've got a moment to pop on, we definitely want to look into this further so a good thing for you to do now is to give this article a read: How to: Submit a Bug Ticket


Have a read through and think what extra details you can include. In particular the very least we'll want in addition to the awesome save you included is an output log from when the error occured and your system specs.

Output Log


Thanks. I have encountered this consistantly on two computers, so I'll add the system specs of both of them:


1. Computer:

OS: Windows 8.0 64bit

CPU: Intel i7 3.5Ghz

RAM: 32GB, 20GB of them tied up in a virtual disk for Windows swap file, leaving 12GB

GPU: nVidia GeForce GTX 660 Ti, 2GB GDDR5 RAM

Build: 1.4.2f8


2. Computer:

OS: Windows 7 64bit

CPU: Intel i7 3.5GHz

RAM: 16GB

GPU: Intel HD Graphics 4000 (on motherboard)

Build: 1.4.2f8


Please let me know if I missed anything.

Thanks for those Rlund, I'm afraid we won't be able to look at this during the course of this week as we're rather swamped at the moment. But I'll be sure to get someone to look at it soon.


Out of curiosity have you only experienced the issue on workshop maps? Usually this kind of thing should be accounted for but we did used to see something similar when there just wasn't enough resources to go around on the CPU, but I wouldn't expect that from a rig like yours.

No rush, I can only imagine how busy you guys must be (I'm web developer, so I get it).


Unfortunately, I actually don't remember if this has happened on other maps, too... It might have, but I've had a very busy time and don't remember much that has happened...


But the good news is that you're giving me a reason to start over on the game :-)


I'll let you know if I run into this during a campaign and will create and attach a save game ASAP.


Oh, and while I'm at it: Thanks for making this game!!! I'd been hoping for DK3 for a while, but I am much happier with a game made out of love for the original than with anything that I'm sure you-know-who would have made as a sequel... Thanks!

OK, I encountered something related (hopefully) during the campaign (Map 6, Behind Enemy Lines).


I zoomed the camera into the position where it happened - hopefully it'll work in the save game. It's the very North of the map.


I put down a rally point and got my minions into the last area. Then I moved the rally point, and some of my minions just stay put even though the new rally point is really close to them. I can continue to move the rally point, but they'll stay put.


Once I slap them or pick them up and drop them, they start moving again.


I've had that happen in other areas of the map, too, but not with a rally point set.


It is interesting that they will move to the rally point for some time (across the entire map), but then in the last few changes they'll stop.


I'm wondering if they're on drugs since they seem to be very happy there (smiley faces showing) ;-)


I hope this helps.


Save Game 2

Sounds very unusual, thanks for the info and the save we'll be sure to give it a look into next week :)

You're welcome :-)

Forgot to mention this happened on my gaming computer, the one with the proper nVidia card.

Another very similar situation:


Map 8 Desecration - the lava section of the map. My necromancers will happily just stand in the lava getting burned without moving out even if I set the rally flag. I zoomed in one one and made a save game.


savegame3.zip

Hello Rlund,
Do you encounter these issues directly after you load one of your save games?
I ask because I somehow don't. eg. in your first saves from Arcane Prison, when I dismiss rally the all flag, units find correctly back to their facilities but those who don't have needs (eg. Roussimoff, Ember Demons).
But when you load this save game and you dismiss the rally, you run into an issue where some normal minions or beasts do not find back to their facilities to satisfy their needs?

Cheers

I actually didn't test if this happens if I load the savegame - it was the other way round: I encountered it and created the savegame for you.


Tonight after work I'll try out the savegames myself to see if they recreate the situation.

Completed - Next Patch

Hello Rlund,

We found the cause and fixed the issue internally.
A bad timing issue between waiting for a query for a far away location to complete and thus going idle, then deciding to chat to nearby units and turning to face them while they needed to go towards home, while being pushed away by other units nearby unable to move forward and querying again in an endless loop of death.
(Maybe this sentence should be split in multiple :D)


We will release a Patch or Hotfix once we accomplished a couple more bug fixes soon.
For now as a workaround either:
- slap many of the minions
- grab and drop them outside the minion cluster
- simply recall them home
(many WFTO Players don't know that Recall spell can be applied to any rally flag icon to recall ALL units belonging to this group even on Rally all = recall ALL)


Hope this helps!

Heh, yea, that's quite the sentence :-) But being a programmer myself I actually got it ;-)


And I just started using the Recall spell on the rally icon. Kinda wish the heal spell worked that way, too, but that might go a little too far :-)


Thanks so much, you guys are awesome! Looking forward to that patch.

Thanks a lot for supporting us and finding bugs :)
Yea on flag icons directly applied only Recall works because the designer said for other spells it would not be clear enough which units would be affected.
However ALL spells can be applied to single units in a group(flag) if you expand the flag icon (arrow right to it) to show the detailed units in this group (not available for rally all but all other flags).
You can apply spells to each of the unit icons there individually.
Furthermore ALL spells can be applied to the unit portaits in the minion panel and on the left of the panel you can select a a filtered view either by mood, current activity, combat state or XP level and ALL spells apply to each of the categories which do contain units.
Each time you click to apply a spell on a portrait(=unit type) or a category(=unit type & filter) it takes the next unit in that group and you can right click to zoom to the unit which would be affected by next click(spell) in advance, if you care.

Hope this compensates a bit for the lack to apply spells directly to flag icons (except recall which works).

Cheers




I was OK with not having all spells available to the rally icon - in fact, just having the recall spell is huge, and I'm bummed that it took me so long to figure out how useful that is! (Pretty much after every major battle, my minions are tired or hungry or greedy, so the faster I can get them home, the better - so this is the perfect solution for that!).


Also thanks for the instructions, I'll try them out when I have the opportunity.